Brothers Hayle (left) and Henry Pham run during a game of football, as their father, Hansel, throws a ball in the air on Jan. 26, 2020. Eric Lee
Photographer Eric Lee spent a large part of his childhood struggling to find his place as an Asian American — the constant to and fro between, he says, feeling "too Asian" and "not Asian enough" inspired him to visually deconstruct the complexities of his identity.
In his multimedia project, "Where We're Really From," Lee explores what it's like to grow up Asian American, through the Pham brothers, Henry, 7, and Hayle, 9. The boys are just beginning to understand and peel the layers of being Vietnamese Americans living in Gaithersburg, Md., a mostly white community outside Washington, D.C.
While Lee found his own childhood reflected in several aspects of the boys' upbringing, he also found that the social and political context of the present deeply shape their growth. Their parents, Thu and Hansel Pham, lay emphasis on concepts like consent, nonviolence and healthy masculinity. When Lee, 27, was growing up, his parents didn't necessarily think about these concepts in the conscious manner that the Phams do.
In an interview, Lee describes his background and his experience photographing the Phams, which he did for more than a year. His answers have been edited for length and clarity.
Hayle smiles after blowing out candles at his 7th birthday party on April 28, 2019. Eric Lee
Henry Partain and Henry Pham (front left to right) play on iPads while Hayle Pham and Jack Partain play Nintendo Switch after skiing in Seven Springs, Pa., on Feb.16, 2020. Eric Lee
Thu Pham, center, encourages Henry, left, and Hayle, as they climb pull-up bars at a park on Chinqoteague Island, Md., on April 14, 2019. Eric Lee
Artists gravitate to stories that deeply resonate with their own life and experience. What inspired you to start this project?
I attended a predominantly white private school in Brooklyn growing up. I was one of very few Asian Americans in my class and I struggled for years trying to figure out where I fit. I always wanted to learn my history as a Chinese American. In college, I produced a documentary on Asian American masculinity. It was something I thought I understood and I wanted to help uncover the growing problems of many negative stereotypes, like the model minority myth — the perception that one minority group is achieving high success and other racial groups should model after them. But the more people I interviewed and the more I learned, the less I felt ready to tell this story. In 2018, four years after those interviews, I applied to the Corcoran College of Art and Design in Washington, D.C, knowing I wanted to begin exploring my own identity through my lens. I had more questions than ever about identity, but having the dedicated space, resources, and support to be intimate and open comforted me.
Hayle tackles Henry during a game of football Black Hill Regional Park in Boyds, Md., on April 7, 2019. Eric Lee
Hayle sulks and walks behind Thu on the High Line in New York City on Jan. 25, 2020. Eric Lee
Hansel Pham lifts Henry at home on April 5, 2019. Eric Lee
How did you go about building trust with Henry and Hayle? Did you know them beforehand?
I initially put a social media callout when I was searching for a family to document in early 2019. A former colleague put me in touch with the Phams, and they have always been attracted to topics revolving around Asian American identity. Building trust with the children wasn't easy. Early on, I followed their every move, often having to put down the camera and play football or tag before I could take photos. Sometimes they made a game out of leaving the frame when I would point the camera in their direction, but I played along. Knowing that this project would take time, I visited the Phams every few weeks, spending 8-12 hours with them each time.
Hayle lies on his bed after spending the afternoon alone after throwing a tantrum on Oct. 13, 2019. Eric Lee
Hayle and Henry look at instructions while attempting to build a Hot Wheels set in Ocean City, Md., on April 14, 2019. Eric Lee
How would you describe the boys' relationship with one another?
The boys are competitive but they always do whatever they can to support each other. At school, their classrooms share a door with a window. Hayle would peek through it every moment he could to see what Henry was up to. Even while playing or working independently, the brothers liked to keep tabs on each other, even at home. I grew up an only child with parents who worked long hours. Their brotherhood was new to me and didn't fall into the stereotypical brotherhood of teasing and bullying. The pair truly worked as a team, even when they were on different teams during football and other games. Henry gave Hayle a head start before races and gave him hints on how to win the game.
Hayle eats a corndog as Henry stacks oyster crackers on his head at Clyde's Tower Oaks Lodge in Rockville, Md., on Sept. 29, 2019. Eric Lee
How do the boys talk about their identity?
In October 2018, I went to one of Henry's swim meets in Virginia. One conversation with Hayle struck me in particular. He lifted his index finger to his chin, as he always does when he focuses a thought.
"You know, there are only two Asian kids in my class," he says, still with his finger on his chin. He turns towards me. By then I'd been around Hayle for about seven months, photographing and observing. While he's talked about being Asian with Thu and Hansel before, he and I have never had a conversation about it.
Thu drops in dumplings for Lunar New Year celebrations as Hayle checks on the pot of boiling water on Jan. 26, 2020. Eric Lee
"There's me and Taiji. He speaks Japanese to his parents sometimes."I nod. He then tells me that his parents are Vietnamese, while continuing to fiddle with his fingers. "Do you like being Vietnamese?" I ask trying to keep his attention on the topic as a new race begins behind him. "I don't know, it's kind of weird," he says."Why is it weird?" "I don't know," pauses Hayle. "I guess I don't get sunburnt though!"
I was surprised by this conversation since it was the first time one of the boys acknowledged race and ethnicity without a prompt. It made me wonder how much they thought about being Asian American and how it affected their life. It's certainly made me more aware of who I am.
Thao Nguyen gives her nephew, Hayle, a red envelope in celebration of the Lunar New year on Jan. 26, 2020. Eric Lee
Is there one experience or instance from this project that stands out to you?
Earlier this year, I celebrated the Lunar New Year with the Phams.Thao and Nguyen, the boys' aunt and uncle, came from Baltimore to celebrate. As we ate at the table, Hansel began asking the boys if they knew the history of the traditions they were doing. The boys replied with half-hearted answers as they ate the meal of sautéed beef and wonton soup. This conversation sparked a moment of deja vu for me. I remember doing the same thing, replying to my parents' questions about the Lunar New year with my mouth full.
After dinner, Thao called the boys. She and Nguyen pulled out red envelopes filled with money. The red envelopes are signs of good luck and fortune and are often given to children to celebrate the New Year. Watching the boys take their red envelopes with both hands and wish their aunt and uncle "happy new year" froze me again. I always saw myself in Henry and Hayle's life, but this night solidified that feeling for me, seeing how another Asian American family celebrated traditions just like mine did.
Henry watches his friends play football at Hayle's birthday on April 28, 2019 in Darnestown, Md. Eric Lee
What were some of the differences you saw between your upbringing and that of Henry and Hayle?
Thu and Hansel are presented with different challenges than my parents were two decades ago, like school shootings, racism and COVID-19, and the #MeToo movement. I don't think my parents ever thought about them in such an intentional way that parents nowadays have to. Henry and Hayle had an active shooter drill at school one day, something I never experienced. Hansel likes to tell a story about them seeing Spider Man: Into the Spider-Verse, and having to leave halfway through because it was too scary and violent for the boys. He jokingly vowed to never take them to the movies ever again.
Thu and Hansel don't try to push being "masculine" on the brothers. They can pick out their own clothing, toys, and activities — except contact football, which isn't allowed at all. After Hayle and Henry's karate belt test on a Saturday afternoon, Thu took them to an Asian food hall for lunch. They were eating lunch when Henry brought up that someone tried to hug him in class. This alarmed Thu, and she began a discussion about consent.
Henry pushes a wheel as Hayle sits on it in a park in Chincoteague, Md., on April 14, 2019. Eric Lee
What was the most challenging part of the project?
I began the project searching to understand what Asian American boyhood meant in terms of topics like identity, masculinity and family. These are hard topics to photograph as they're not always obvious. As I continued to make work, I made sure I kept the history in mind. The most challenging element of this project was learning all the background and figuring out how to convey the nuance of identity.
Thu helps Hayle pick up a box of Asian pears at a grocery store in Eden Center in Falls Church, Va., on Oct. 12, 2019. Eric Lee
Henry reaches for a strawberry Ramune, a Japanese soda-like drink at a grocery store in Eden Center in Falls Church, Va., on Oct. 12, 2019. Eric Lee
Did you learn new things about your own layered identity through this journey?
During the project, I asked myself what it meant to be Asian American? I questioned if it was food, culture, family or solely based on what I looked like. It left me with more questions than answers.
Teased for not knowing English, my father embraced becoming American, both culturally and nationally. He played stickball in the streets, rode American-made motorcycles and often visited the American countryside. For him, the cons of being Asian American outweighed the pros.
Raising me without the "immigrant mentality" was a defense mechanism for him, and a way to protect me from the trauma he experienced.
After working on this project, I am coming to understand why my parents raised me the way they did. I'm finally seeing that they were raising me in a way that didn't have the same pain and sufferings they endured. It's taken me 27 years to finally understand my parents.
An eight-image panorama of the Phams in Ocean City, Md., on April 13, 2019. Eric Lee
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